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1. Good luck Jeanie. *raises glass* To a good first round.

   1. Your story is rapey. boo

      1. Rapey? Yuck. Let’S find a better description… That’s just disgusting for you to say

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      2. Wow, didn’t know rape was an adjective. Nana’s story has much more depth to it that I wouldn’t describe as “rapey.” I wouldn’t go as far as call it disgusting either. Nana has written a rhythmic, coherent piece. Sorry if the execution of his narrative was too grandiose for you. His story depicted conformist thought that doesn’t exist only in high school, but in other social niches. The central idea of the story ISN’T about rape as he clearly stated in his comments, therefore your criticism is ill-formed. I guess if he could provoke that kind emotion from you, then he wrote a damn good story. If the content made you cringe, then I’d suggest reading something more comfortable like Clifford the Big Red Dog.

         1. Em, I don’t like that comment either, but most frustrating is that it’s the first thing people see on this page and it therefore frames the whole comparison in terms of whether it’s better to write about rape or not write about rape. For Nana, that leads to people saying either “that story’s disgusting because it’s about rape”, which is ridiculous, or “that story’s better because it’s about rape, which evokes a lot of emotion”, which is equally ridiculous. And for Jeanie, her story becomes simply “the story that’s not about rape”, which is completely unfair to the integrity of both stories and both writers. Basically a lot of people are voting based on whether they feel it’s ok to write a perpetrator-perspective story about rape or not, and not based on each story unto itself.

            Deciding that one is the better story *just* because its subject matter sparked a visceral reaction is kind of akin to saying “Steven Spielberg is the best director in the world because his movies deal with Important Social Issues like the Holocaust, slavery, and the American Civil War, that spark a strong emotional reaction.” Steven Spielberg is a great director. I enjoy his films. But I sure am glad there are a lot of other amazing directors out there whose character-driven films also transport you (Ang Lee, Martin Scorsese, Clint Eastwood, the Coen Brothers, Spike Jonze, Atom Egoyan, Sarah Polley, bla bla bla, to name just a diverse few). These directors explore emotions, subtle relationships, tensions, moral dilemmas, and they often do this without leveraging the emotional charge of Important Social Issues — arguably the more challenging feat. And so they are also great directors.

            So please don’t suggest that there’s a dichotomy in literature between stories about Big Important Social Issues and Clifford the Big Red Dog. Because there’s so, so, so much more. And we are the richer for it.

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   2. Your story is disgusting.

      1. Your face is disgusted. Go sit in a dark corner so you won’t scare off the human race.

   3. Nana, can everyone who offers you balanced praise and constructive comments look forward to being assaulted and mocked in your Twitter feed, or should I feel special for being singled out? Your tweet yesterday was callous and cruel-spirited, and made it seem like you see the whole constructive feedback part of this DM as a farce to serve as a butt for jokes. smh

      Any response? Do you care if people try to offer you genuine feedback? Why so disrespectful?

      1. This came out in the wrong place. I’ve re-posted it in the right thread below.

      2. I say a lot on Twitter, I think the tweet your referring to said something about how you were commenting a lot. I was being funny (to my followers)in a way I often am on twitter. I have never had to apologize for my actions over the course of this competition and I still don’t feel the need to.

         “lol we gassed this one commenter JoSchmoe now he’s feeling himself smh… shut up sir!”

         Is what I said on Twitter,to my followers. Not trying to “assault” you, just tweeting. How do I feel about genuine criticism, I’ve loved it thus far.I don’t think this tweet or any others really suggest otherwise.

         1. Huh. So as long as dissing someone makes you look funny to your friends, no need to apologize for being gratuitously disrespectful. That sounds a lot like Mike Cardigan speaking.

            Sadly, your Twitter feed seems full of this attitude. A few gems from a really brief skim:
            “If I could say what I wanted every comment would begin with a “BITCH LISTEN!””
            “Send this b*tch back to CANADA”
            “I wanted to put a “Bitch” at the end of the comment but I think it was good as it stands”
            etc.

            Wow, talk about sexism and aggression. The real irony is that I can hear the Cardigans saying these things at their cafeteria table. The aggression, shallow ridicule and endless self-satisfaction — and healthy sprinkling of misogyny — leave the impression that you have a lot more in common with your narrators than the author of a piece like yours needs to be credible.

            I apologize to other commenters who I so unequivocally rebuked when they said your piece glorified sexism and bullying. Things may not be as clear cut as I thought.

            So here’s my tough love for the day, Nana: Your piece is glossy and well-crafted and uses some interesting literary devices to treat a highly emotional and current topic. But in order to become a really good writer of any richness and depth, you have a lot of growing yet to do in terms of respect, self-reflection, honesty and humility. Take it as a token of my confidence in you that I think you’d agree with me if you come back and read this in five years.

         2. Hey JoShmoe. Many have appreciated your thoughtful and balanced comments on this forum, for the record. But come on now. Expecting that Nana be a perfect angel of a human being so as to compensate for a story that pushes people out of their comfort zone is a tad ludicrous. You shouldn’t take his tweets personally, we aren’t here to critique his writing abilities on Twitter. On this forum he’s been present and engaged, responsive and honest, so not sure why he’d be pigeon-holed as one specific type of person, or judged on character, by those of us who don’t know him personally. Yes, he is young and confident. Good for him! He’s been selected by Broken Pencil out of 100+ stories to battle it out, and is currently in the finals with over 10,000 votes… his talent is being recognized because he already is a good writer (and he’s not going to get worse). What he is like as a person, and whether he becomes someone you or others want him to be, seems like a pretty spectacular digression from the merits of Cardigan Blues.

         3. Emily, I’ve enjoyed your input (and your BFF’s) on this round and others.

            But come on now. Let’s be serious.

            I don’t expect Nana to be an angel, but public discourse that degrades and disrespects women is not ok. And so Nana degrading and disrespecting women in his own public discourse is not ok. The author’s POV needs to be very far removed (I would argue diametrically opposed) from the POV used in the story in order for either to retain the credibility that this story relies on to work. Like it or not, when an author piggybacks a story on a controversial social issue, that author has an additional personal responsibility to remain vigilant in his/her stance on that issue. Otherwise s/he loses all credibility. Think of Mel Gibson’s anti-semitic discourse after his movie The Passion of the Christ (and think where his previously skyrocketing career has gone since then).

            Which leads me to another area where you and your BFF and I may end up having to agree to disagree. You’ve said you’re voting for Nana’s piece basically because it sparked a lot of discussion. I can’t agree with your logic. Nana wrote on a controversial issue that is a subject of much discussion throughout our society. Not surprisingly, 90% of the comments here have been about that *issue*, and not about either story (to the detriment of this contest, I believe). Just because his story has led you to talk about a controversial issue does not make it the better story. Such a discussion could as easily be sparked by a really bad story as by a really good one (or anything in between).

            The logical conclusion from your argument would be that every writer should write about bullying or sexual assault or another equally emotionally charged subject and that would make their writing better. That may prove to be a good strategy for an online voting contest, but I can’t agree that it would be good for literature in general.

         4. Well, I just don’t really care how the author acts. It doesn’t change his story. If all writers were scrutinized for their behaviour in order to establish the credibility of their work I think we would have less art and more Big Brother pamphlets to keep us safe. On another note, I am pretty sure my friend there didn’t say we sat around talking only about sexual assault. There is a lot going on in this story, besides that. For instance, Harriet’s strength, the impact of the group POV, and the boundaries of comfort that it pushed, the both in-your-face and subtle struggle for individuality and the “man vs. monster” battle. But all this has already been stated, more than once, and there is plenty from the author about it as well – despite the fact I don’t believe he ever needed to spell out his themes in the first place.

         5. Emily, it seems we take very different moral stances on this question, so I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

            Once again, I really enjoyed your story and will be looking out for more of your stuff to read!

   4. your story is boringly sad and depressingly commonly ugly.

2. I’ve read it three times now, and still admire Cardigan Blues greatly. It will get my vote, despite comments from previous rounds that suggest the author is an American, a rape enthusiast and a cheater. It has been a dirty campaign against you from day one Nana. Congratultions on making it to the end. Despite all the depressing elements in your story, it stands out as the one I enjoyed reading.

   1. I think I hear violins Chris…what concerto is that you’re playing? I think you’ve broken a string.

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   3. I blog, short story craft, write and share poetry, and generally hunt for mentorship and opportunities to expose myself to good writing. I love to read as much as I love to write. I’ve also had the privilege of working as a writer and mentor in my own highschool’s writing club. I am Canadian by birth but grew up in the US, went to highschool in a small town midwestern American school, watched the highschool football highlights on TV, played sports, musical instruments, and cut my writer’s teeth while engaging in that world. Because of my involvement in sports, JR ROTC and inspite of theater, band, and TAG placement, I was a moderately popular “Almost girl that mattered.” Full disclosure: Jeanie is a friend of mine.

      Nana, the story was paced and stylized uniformly. It has strong voice that allows it to read quickly. On the technical levels your story is well crafted. You are talented.

      You picked a handful of sensitive issues that are raw, front and center in our minds: Bullying, rape, abuse, vilification of young men, the objectification of young women. As a writer, I know that you are in on the not so secret secret that most of us are not in the Cardigan Club. As a woman educated in anti-oppression politics, I’m shocked that a man of color would be at ease with writing a contest piece with the primary voice from the P.O.V. of a misogynist remorseless sociopath in training. We share similar battlegrounds here. What gives?

      I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt here and hope that your intention was to hold the mirror up to the outright disgusting horror that highschool is/can be because of the egos we condone of our friday night lights heros.

      Even with the story being well crafted and your operation under the ‘mirror’ idea, it still reads like pulp tragedy porn.

      I say this because there was no trade off in perspective. The piece created an unresolved horror and destroyed your connection with over half of your audience because you did not give one of your most central characters any voice. Harriet was beautifully well crafted, as much as mike or logan where in their own terrifying ways.

      You could have broke hearts and rallied women and men to her side as a survivor instead of a victim if we had the chance to feel what she was experiencing it as she was experiencing it. You could have cut a balance to the cold hive voice of the Cardigans by giving harriet the chance to speak about why she made the decision to help mike with his homework. You could have done all of this with ease and not compromised the ugliness and grit of what happened in that bathroom.

      I don’t think I could ever take a character with as much complication and depth as harriet, rape her, and then force her to be silent like the girls that do or don’t matter… but then I’m a woman and I volunteer on a rape crisis line and I hear harriet more than I ever could wish on any human: character or writer.

      Do yourself, your audience, and your community a favor and invest in learning to write women: to give them a legitimate voice in your work. Please. You are going places, you will be read. This piece says something important and deserves to be more than tragedy porn.

      1. what Kristina wrote, early on March 8, sums up and explains things much better than I did. I was angry. And repulsed. I was upset about how Nana’s story, and what it represents had affected my intelligent, witty, mature friend, Jeannie…. But I am a man. I am humbled by the point of view of Kristina, this mature woman, who is also a writer, and writes a better balanced criticism, and who volunteers at a rape crisis Centre.

      2. I totally understand what you’re saying about Nana not giving Harriet a voice. She was an essential character obviously and, yes it probably would have been slightly more intense if we heard her perspective. However, the story is called Cardigan Blues. It’s about the Cardigans. If Nana wanted us to read it from Harriet’s POV he would have started the story with, “Hi, I’m Harriet. And today, I might get raped by (…wait for it… pause for dramatic effect) the Cardigans. (*cue the Cardigans*)” But he didn’t. He starts with “WE ARE THOSE DUDES.” He doesn’t start with “I AM THAT VICTIM.” The story isn’t about the victim. It’s about the suspects. How weak they are. Their mindset.

         Harriet is there to provoke us and make us feel exactly what it is all of you are feeling about the Cardigans. We as readers, are supposed to develop an understanding of the Cardigan mindset so that when Harriet does come in, we get it but at the same time we are disgusted. We know it’s wrong, they know it’s wrong, Harriet knows it’s wrong, Nana knows it’s wrong, hell even Jeanie knows it’s wrong. Stories are supposed to provoke the reader, and I believe Nana did a great job at just that. Evidence is seen here in all these comments.

         Nobody is talking about the other story and that to me is an indication that Cardigan Blues has already won. I read the other story, of course, and I’m sorry (I’m not sorry) but it was boring. I felt nothing. No sympathy for the woman or the drunk. Too much time (in my opinion) was spent trying to come up with “witty” descriptions for mundane things that offered nothing towards the ambiance of the story. For example, this: “Standing by the window at the departure gate, Rich puts his forehead on the glass and looks out at the runway. When he lifts his head away, he leaves a greasy smear that reveals a fossil-like imprint of his hair. A thundercloud on the horizon lets out rain, grey bleeding from it like sludge from a can of black beans.” What?? The description’s so random… I can’t.

         Anyways, I didn’t mean to be negatively criticizing the opposing writer but as soon as I started typing I could not stop. In conclusion I’ll say this. Cardigan Blues will continue to stick in my mind. It’s a story I know I won’t forget because it was so upsetting/provoking/interesting. The other one however, The Offbeat (honest to God I had to look back at it because I forgot the title), clearly I’ve already forgotten. Good luck to you both, but congratulations Nana.

         1. Seconded. Well said.

         2. Alexandra, it seems that you might really gravitate towards stories that are plot-driven and more action-focussed, which is very cool. I can see therefore why you voted for Nana’s story, and why the more subtle emotional storyline and wordsmithing in The Offbeat didn’t necessarily jive with you.

            I’m totally splitting hairs here (and so I apologize), but it would be more accurate and fair to say that *you* found Jeanie’s story boring, rather than to proclaim it to be so; I personally was riveted by it from the get-go, hanging on every word. It wasn’t just that I could tell that the narrator was messed up (which I could obviously tell with the Cardigan Blues narrator as well), but that I could also see her reflecting on it and grappling with it in a way that for me was extremely human and very compelling.

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   By raise your glass, you must clearly have pulled the cork on your champagne bottle already. (That’s a bit rich, no?) I’m with you though, the stastics are stacked against me (let’s just declare this thing over, shall we?)
   The irony of losing this round is indeed exactly what I expected but hey, let’s see if I can’t text some people on my flip phone (were you born before when these existed?) and get them to stay in the game and vote.
   Go ahead and beat me, I’ve already won.
   I’m looking forward to your gag-inducing victory acceptance speech at the end of this. I hope there will be music and a something about people believing in you. I’m sure it will make me cringe and not in the “sore loser” way you might expect.
   Here’s a future writing dream job that I could see you do well at – writing President Obama’s “say nothing” speeches. Oh wait, that job is already taken by two Canadian dudes.
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   Good luck, and I meant that sincerely whether you believe it or not because I also believe I’ve already won. I think that might have been one of the most gag inducing parts of what GOD posted. Cheers.

   1. I’ve been busy trying to end war and famine, but I’ll take a moment to reply to Nana:
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      1. You’re doing a horrible job ending famine or war. You should probably go back to that instead of wasting time on the internet.

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5. I just found this whole competition, have read the lead-ups to this point. And speaking of point, I just have to ask Nana: What IS the point of your piece? Are you trying to create some kind of suspenseful build-up, using the common theme that all schools have immature, sexually charged assholes in them? YAWN…. unless I missed something.

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6. Agreed. WTF is with that stuff anyway? I find the story repugnant, went back and re-read it at length, still find it pointless and repugnant. And coupled with the author’s “identifying” as a “winner” and a “stone cold killer” I somehow doubt that this piece is trying to be some sort of attempt to make us think about sexual abuse, class consciousness, or any real issue, more than it is just titillation stemming from the all too prevalent crap we see in school. I agree, Henry – Yawn, but to me, in addition it’s “puke”

7. oops “Nick” slipped in as I was writing that last… to clarify — my “Agree” is with Henry, not Nick, who I suspect might well be Nana covering his ass, LOL….

   1. Is this your guilty way of saying you’re really Henry, Nancy?

      Henry, do you really mean to tell me you wish you were a woman at heart?

      I’m not Nana, but I’m a New Yorker. I don’t see anything I said that was “covering” Nana’s ass either. IDK what people in Canada use that term for, but you seem to be using it loosely. Here in NY we use that term “covering” when someone is trying to prevent themselves from being found out.

      There was obviously no wrong doing on Nana’s part other than more people are in his corner for reasons like this. Hate doesn’t win. Love doesn’t either. Respect goes a long way though.

      1. And your reply to my comment, Nick is…..?

      2. Sorry Nick, is there something you are trying to say with wishing someone was a woman at heart? Is this meant as an insult or do you know something about women’s hearts that I don’t know?

         1. Jeanie, why so angry?… No wonder Nana tweet about “BITCHES”

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8. Nana, I had trouble reading past the 2nd paragraph. It was that weak and predictable, before it got going, I knew what it was. Appealing to the lowest common denominator, and vulgar banality. Weak. I forced myself to read the whole thing. No nuance, lacking style, lacking subtlety or originality. Appealing to the worst in men; misogynist, woman hating, pulp. What was the point ? Writing in such a callous way about rape, puts you in the camp of the perps. I say this because there was no original bit of unique creative genius and art, or any message, and you actually didn’t even make the “victim” a sympathetic character… pretty lacking in sympathy… or character… doesn’t even offer a veneer over what this fetid rubbish is : exploitative, anti-woman, junk food for the soul. A story could have been written with similar subject matter, that had some kind of purpose, art or wisdom, that wasn’t obviously designed to pander to the lowest in men, and to offend women, and do your best to remind them of extreme trauma. Pretty near rape porn… your writing is like eating at McDonalds. Not nourishing and gives those that are already tuned out, something to try to feed and cram into the inner void. Adding to the pile of garbage that too often passes for popular literature. Jeanie, if you lose to that, you really don’t want to win. Wow, how original, trying to get negative attention from shock value, and offend women. Something little boys learn at a young age, but most outgrow. I need a shower

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9. Vote jeanie, she doesn’t have a story about rape culture, easy move really!!

   1. The Canadian comments are disgusting ? But glorifying gang rape and crushing kind women is fine. That’s ridiculous. Good to see that so many people have responded to Jeannie’s writing. The comments against Nana’s story ain’t racism, if anything it’s pro-women ! Is there an either or there ? Nana’s writing, is lacking in nuance, creativity or style. Really. Makes me throw up a little in my mouth. Pisses me off, ‘cuse I love my mother, and my sister, and my daughter AND my many women friends. I have many friends of different cultures, which have included good friends that happen to be black (Canada doesn’t really have the same type of racist dynamic as the U.S. Eh ! Vancouver is multi-cultural. That race card doesn’t fly here. Most of us here, have friends from so many different cultural backgrounds. A quarter of our population is Chinese, a 10th Indian. Grow up. Nana’s story is weak, and justifies and glorifies gang rape. It doesn’t seem to be designed to do anything positive socially. It is RAPE CULTURE b.s. ! Because he is black does that give him the right to disrespect women so horribly ? Nope. For those that don’t get it, the writing is adolescent and tries to get by on shock value, and upset women (which it has). If the story was stronger and had anything redeeming, and the rape was dealt with in a way that didn’t feature it, and make it some kind of sick brag session about the all to common chicken shit way that too many men try to crush women, I might have felt differently… But sometimes crap is just crap

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10. Jeanie’s Writing is amazing! Original, detailed, descriptive, emotive and paints a vivid picture. It is intelligent and speaks to Canadian writing of quality and creative integrity. Alot of great content comes out of Canada. To be honest the other story about the high school bullies gave me a little rush of base emotions but left me feeling rather disgusted. This theme is creatively lacking as it is overused and I think it’s time we transcend the old abusive paradigm and celebrate originality and great “Offbeat” writing! Go Jeanie!

11. This contest is pure jokes right now…. I am not for nor against nana but I think it is sort of insignificant and immature to attack him in such a way. I’ve read both stories and its obvious they both have different writing styles, which makes them both unique. Commentators should focus on giving these two candidates constructive feedback rather than bashing them. It’s okay to be jealous of the next person but expressing it here will do no good cause a person that respects the art of writing will vote for whom they think is the better writer.

    PS- as a warning do not attack me cause you will be talking to yourself. This is my first and last comment because I refuse to lower my self to all this negativity.

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12. Hey JB here’s some constructive feedback for Nana :
    The Male Privilege Checklist:

    http://www.amptoons.com/blog/the-male-privilege-checklist/
    Finally Feminism 101 http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/
    “Check my what?” On privilege and what we can do about it http://blog.shrub.com/archives/tekanji/2006-03-08_146
    Another Post About Rape (This is a great article for identifying the subtle underpinnings of sexism that encourage women to not have clear boundaries) http://fugitivus.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/another-post-about-rape-3/
    The Angry Black Woman (One of my favorite articles on her blog is entitled “The Privilege of Politeness”) http://theangryblackwoman.com/
    Yes Means Yes http://yesmeansyesblog.wordpress.com/
    A Message to Women From a Man: You Are Not “Crazy” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yashar-hedayat/a-message-to-women-from-a_1_b_958859.html
    Sheryl Sandberg: Why we have too few women leaders http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18uDutylDa4&feature=relmfu
    Challenging Patriarchy in Political Organizing – A 101 by Harsha Walia http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/activism/challenging-patriarchy-political-organizing-101/
    Justified Rage from an Unsafe Space: Reflection on Occupy Wall Street http://www.peopleofcolororganize.com/activism/organizing/justified-rage-unsafe-space-reflection-occupy-wall-street/
    Tranarchism (And would you look at that, the most recent article is a repost “Points of Unity for a Queer and Feminist Occupation”) http://tranarchism.com/ Also, check out the article, “Not Your Mom’s Trans 101” http://tranarchism.com/2010/11/26/not-your-moms-trans-101/
    Genderbitch: Musings of a Trans Chick http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/ Especially, these articles: “Intent! It’s Fucking Magic!” http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/intent-its-fucking-magic/ “‘Omg Ur So MEEN!’ Pseudo-Ally Tears And Why We Don’t Care” http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/27/pseudoally-tears-and-tone/ “Redefining Nice: Why ‘Nice Guys’ Finish Last” http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/nice-guys-arent-nice/
    Calpernia Adams “Bad Questions to Ask a Transsexual: The Director’s Cut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjqsB1huDxg
    A Really Awesome Trans Glossary https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AcHP5xGhVLvmZGRnY3RocWdfMHc4ZHpza2c3&hl=en
    Schrödinger’s Rapist http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/
    Bell Hooks “Feminism is For Everybody” http://books.google.ca/books/about/Feminism_is_for_everybody.html?id=0au7QbAJH0gC&redir_esc=y
    Bell Hooks “Feminist Theory From Margin to Center” http://books.google.ca/books?id=uvIQbop4cdsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=bell+hooks+feminist+theory+from+margin+to+center&hl=en&ei=VGzhTu7jC4XYiQKAkP3_Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=bell%20hooks%20feminist%20theory%20from%20margin%20to%20center&f=false
    Julia Serano “Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity” http://books.google.ca/books?id=fR5ji5h5g1MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=julia+serano+whipping+girl&hl=en&ei=d2zhTrq5F6f8iQKw4q2NDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=julia%20serano%20whipping%20girl&f=false
    Derailing for Dummies http://www.derailingfordummies.com/
    Questioning Transphobia http://www.questioningtransphobia.com/
    Explainer: What is a “Nice Guy” http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/12/explainer-what-is-nice-guy.html
    Free Geek’s Wiki on Anti-Oppression http://wiki.freegeekvancouver.org/article/What_is_Anti-Oppression%3F
    Why Misogynists Make Great Informants: How Gender Violence on the Left Enables State Violence in Radical Movements http://inciteblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/why-misogynists-make-great-informants-how-gender-violence-on-the-left-enables-state-violence-in-radical-movements/
    Wikipedia on intersectionality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality
    Push(back) at the Intersections: Defining (and Critiquing) ‘Intersectionality’ http://bitchmagazine.org/post/pushback-at-the-intersections-defining-and-critiquing-intersectionality
    Intersectionality & Feminism http://www.kickaction.ca/node/1499
    Refusing to Wait: Anarchism and Intersectionality http://www.anarkismo.net/article/14923
    Why I use that word that I use: Kyriarchy, kyriarchal, and why not patriarchy (Thank-you for this Sarah!) http://www.deeplyproblematic.com/2010/08/why-i-use-that-word-that-i-use.html
    Why the term “ally” is not mine to apply http://www.deeplyproblematic.com/2009/11/why-term-ally-is-not-mine-to-apply.html
    Harassment, male privilege, and jokes that women just don’t get (Thanks for this one, Bunny!) http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2011/11/harassment-male-privilege-jokes-women-dont/?t=1320806691
    How to Respect a Transgender Person (Thank-you for this Daniyah!!!) http://www.wikihow.com/Respect-a-Transgender-Person
    Because a White Guy Said It http://uhuh-she-said.tumblr.com/post/1244335715/because-a-white-guy-said-it
    Using “They” as a Singular Pronoun http://robotics.caltech.edu/~mason/ramblings/singularThey.html
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    Tim Wise “The Pathology of White Privilege” http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3812249801848706206
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    Where do I get the the 10 minutes of my life I spent trying to digest your rape pamphlet, you degenerate hipster lawn jockey. This has nothing to do with the aesthetics of fiction and everything to do with you cooning for the vice reading white frats and hipsters who would read this. You might as well put on blackface, wear a handkerchief, and shine shoes at your form, id you are in the businesses of reaffirming racist stereotypes. But stop writing fiction. You Are not an artists. You are not a writer. You are a zip coon for Canadian hipsters.

    1. I’ll reply to you, Mr. Lashley by first asking you to considering being a little more tactful with your language. There are people who would think more of you for it.

       But considering your concerns and the concerns of some others. The idea that this story is about rape or pro rape has been discussed previously and I want to make clear that in no way does it endorse rape or sexual assault or any of the treatment of woman that does, in fact, happen everyday. Of the comments above Kristina’s is obviously the most respectable because she is criticizing in a balanced way that explains merit and downfall. Her method reflects her problem with the story, its lack of balance in narrative voice.

       It is one sided. But my story is not a story, not a fair criticism. The idea, as pointed out in Kristina’s comment to to hold a mirror up. To shine a light on a negative mentality so bright that you step into the minds of children who become monsters. Perhaps it would be more balanced if we had heard directly from Harriet, or maybe that would have told us what we already know, that she is a beautiful young woman the boys know is better than they ever will be. That they are disgusting and obsessed with appearances. That they are not what they believe they are. The story is meant to make you feel something. “What’s the point?” The point is to walk away knowing the story made you feel, and maybe think. It is supposed to suggest that in an exchange between humans and monsters, sometimes, the monster is just a collection of humans who, when together, lose their way. The “point” if the story is to display one of the possibilities of fiction, a grim possibility but a necessary one.

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       I shouldn’t respond to you but what the hell, allow me to continue cooning for you by saying this. You fucked up.

       You are showing the ignorant, linear thinking my story is “about” or pro rape. You are showing the ignorance that comes with pointlessly attacking my story in terms that neglect the writing, the pacing or, really, any of the writing elements. You are a joke and I am SO thankful for you. I’m not going to continue much on you personally because I wouldn’t want to perform too much, you know, in a black face shuckin’ and jivin’ kind of way, but you really do amuse me. You should know that you come off as senseless and extremely racist, which i guess you must have known, I don’t think anyone could be that racist by accident. I appreciate the read though, I’d like to see if you can challenge yourself to using some more contemporary racist terms, you know, just to mix it up.

    3. Really? This is disgusting. How many more years must minorities overcome the obstacles of racism? And how low of you to even bring that sort of ignorance into this competition. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated here or anywhere.

       If comments will be made, it should be opinions on the writers STORY and what the reader believes are the writers weak points. At the end of the day each writer should be able to go home and rewrite their story with your ideas in mind and come out of this competition learning something useful.

       I hope you do apologize Mr. Lashley because that was really uncalled for.

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14. I’m surprised at how tasteless a lot of these attacks at Nana are. This is a competition, not a forum for people of opposing sides to bash each other; especially when you’re bashing someone who has some out the victor of two previous rounds. You can debate your opinion and support your writer without being assuming, disrespectful, and on one clear account, racist. Also, being a sore loser has nothing to do with people’s perception of you, it has to do with personal integrity. And for someone who likes to infer their superiority by commenting on Nanas age, your lack of integrity makes you very childish and lacking in maturity.

15. It’s been quite the weekend over here in the DM finals. Nana has been taking a lot of heat but holding his own. Jeanie has quite rightly led the charge. A few points: It’s pretty simple minded to say that a story portraying sexual violence is a story that condones sexual violence. Nana’s point about monsters and men is well put. That’s certainly how I read the piece. Finally, I have to admire Nana’s tact and restraint responding to Richard Lashley. His remark crosses a line and if Lashley can’t elevate his rhetoric he is welcome to haunt elsewhere. It’s been a weekend of attacks on Nana. Surely Jeanie deserves a bit of heat too?

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16. Whaaa? You go to sleep and wake up, and there are 300 plus votes for each side and 30 comments. I’ve got to at least get a cup of coffee before I get in here. Yikes.

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28. Nana, re: the Oscar acceptance speech that I made fun of you for writing you said “I guess I must not be that good of a writer” because you were at a loss for words as to how to thank people properly. I share the sentiment but this time not because it is you who are the poor writer. This time it is me. I must not be that good of a writer if I’ve been sitting here for the past 45 minutes reading each comment (I even forgot to vote) trying to come up with the appropriate words to stop some people’s vitriol against you and your story. If, through the scant two comments I wrote earlier, I am the one who has created this, then I shoud be defending you.

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    1. Hear hear. I’m a boy btw and I agree with Ellie. I love my mom and my sister and even my ex to a point where Nana’s story makes me angry for them. Besides the point I just think Jeanie’s is the better story, with more depth to the character and less reliance on gimmicks and shock jock tactics. Sorry Nana, I hear the argument that you are trying to she’d light on a sensitive topic, but you don’t truly represent your female characters, not to me anyway. They don’t feel real. Just 2D victims…

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    2. Ellie, thank-you for your vote. To be fair it isn’t only boys who are defending his view. Emily (from previous DM rounds and a DM contender herself) is voting for him as is Kimii. Additionally, there are also many people on here who are signed in under genderless names.

35. I would humbly request that strangers visiting this site or people who know me visiting exclusively to vote for my story do so on the basis of merit, ie. you enjoy one story more than the other. NOT because you want to see Nana lose this contest because you don’t like what he has written. I’m starting to feel like a decoy…

    I would also request that people refrain from using language that makes me have to apologize for the behaviour of members of my race. Because I shouldn’t have to. You could come forward yourselves and apologize. The damage is done but doing so would be a tiny little mini baby step in the direction of your remedial understanding that black people do not have monkey tails. (Gasp!)

36. Oh, and I’ve heard that lobotomies are really good for kicking those, “I hate ethnic people” thoughts, electric shock therapy too. If that doesn’t work, there is a new drug out that cures racism. But be careful of the side effects, taking it might cause world peace.

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37. Art is supposed to elicit an emotional response. Cardigan Blues has obviously done that. It gets my vote due to the direct comparison that popped out to me, which is the corporate world is exactly the same as Nana’s Cardigan boys. Corporations are people too! Haha. When Harriet breaks them up by mentioning their individual names it hurts because what most corporations do is take advantage of everything (environment, weaker companies, its own employees) to make a profit (or maintain its popularity).
    Pretty sure Nana didn’t really intend his story to draw that comparison, but it does for me. See for yourself … if you can manage to come up with another parallel, great.
    Offbeat is a narrative that has been done a lot and while I do feel some of the emotions the pro tag goes through and it is well written it lacks certain (pun)ch. The envelope may have actually receded a bit. Sorry Jeanie.

38. Wo wo wo .. SUGGESTION : Dans l’état actuel des “débats” [!].. Ne serait-il pas “fair”
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39. This is what is wrong with the cardigan story.

    Cardigans? Cardigans? An amateur error. Should have gone with turtle necks. More like a penis you see (well except for Jewish ones). Wannabe rapists in phallic metaphors. Zing. Just imagine how poignant that would have been.

    Problem 2. Back seat of car erotic hijinx are inferior to front seat erotic hijinx.

    3. Heffer? The morons call her ‘heffer’. Failed opportunity. They could call her ‘big mama whamma’ or ‘rolly polly bouncing ball’. Always alliterate literary wannabes. Have I tought you nothing?

    Also why ‘orange puke’. You should have used blue – it would be more aesthetically pleasing and make the reader wonder, ‘what did he eat for dinner’. Confound your reader. Leave ’em guessing. Breathless.

    And this is what is wrong the Offbeat Keogh story.

    First of all a Mandarin? A mandarin? Don’t you know the best hotel stays involve strawberries. Or at bare minimum some agonized Buddhist chanting.

    But that’s a minor mistake. Later you say ‘his erection is a conundrum’. Brilliant. A mystery. But you don’t tell us the answer to it. Is that for the sequel? Imagine we never found out who killed Lord Edgeware. Agatha would never have been a bestseller.

    Also, third, what’s the story with the loudly bouncing soap? Is it really soap? Or is it something about the bathtub. Or the bathroom acoustics.

    And later, this heroine thumbs through the bedside bible then in the next line ‘fatigue makes a last call’. This wench is bored by the bible. Heathen harlot.

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40. I think I should address the the topic of rape culture or the way my story is presented , hopefully for the last time.

    One comment said that they love their mom and ex and this story made him angry for them. Many also express the shock, anger or general feelings they felt from the story toward the narrators. I have not yet seen someone comment that they thought the narrators were “cool” or correct in any way. I have however seen numerous comments expressing some sort of passionate reaction to the story. I genuinely feel that is the power of the story. For most, it made them feel angry about a situation they thought that it wasn’t fair. They are right, it is not. They thought Harriet didn’t have a voice, they are also correct because the narrators must do all they can to keep her quiet, and we see how much power she has over them in the name calling section.

    I heard a great comment about how the “We” makes it difficult for readers to disengage and it makes it feel even worst to be close to such horrible acts, this too is an important element of the story. I does challenge the reader to make the right decision which is aversion to the we, which is them. The narrative of the story with the inclusion of the We puts you in a character like Logan’s position, you know better but you seem to be following along with acts you know are wrong.

    I truly think that the story does not promote Rape culture because the most vocal about the story have expressed their detest for the possibility of it doing so after reading. Because they know better, and I like to believe most readers do. I do like that it compelled strong feeling which I think is an important aspect in any story.

    The subject matter is difficult and painful and that is the reality of the situation. Life is not always balanced and fair and everyone doesn’t always get to speak. Sometimes you only hear one side. And when it the negative side you hear only it is up to you to make a decision from there.

    Again, I do understand the closeness and sensitivity some feel but the presentation of the content, in my opinion, does in no way promote what is written, it describes and brings to the light but never promotes, at all. I think the comments show that.

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       Respectfully I can see that you are trying to do something challenging by addressing this issue. I can feel the emotional reaction of rage and frustration you sought to elicit from your reader. In no way am I diminishing your talent in inciting those feelings. But the rage is muddled and not righteous and clear. As previous comments have stated you have a voice and you will go far with some reflection on the criticism you’ve received here.

       However I still have a problem with the crafting in your piece, in that by saying we are meant to follow along with a character like Logan, who knows it is wrong but is playing along anyway, is akin to saying something like “well he was just following orders” or “just conforming” (so were the nazis) and the narrative voice feels to me like you are letting him off the hook. He did it but he knew it was wrong so that’s ok right? Look at how bad he feels, he puked orange something or another. But ultimately this is still a participation in rape culture, and without giving a clear contrast by providing a strong sense of Harriet’s voice, Harriet’s inner tragedy at having suffered this assault, plays right into the rape culture’s habit of silencing the victim. I don’t think it’s enough that you say she isn’t supposed to have a voice. That feels like a cop out or at the very least a missed opportunity. In the end it doesn’t matter what the intent is. What matters is what the reader, your end user FEELS, and I didn’t feel like these boys changed at all. There is no sense of character arc save perhaps for Logan but your collective narrative voice which is so clever and hooks us so well in the beginning of the story diffuses the tension when it matters, when your protagonists had and missed the opportunity to really feel their monstrosity, and where you missed the opportunity to show us that realization, and by extension feel anything but abdication. More rape culture. Turn a blind eye.

       Contrastingly I intrinsically felt the pain and circumstances of the narrator in ‘the offbeat’, her entanglement and helplessness in the face of it is tragic, in the Greek sense of the word. Its romeo and juliet in the tomb scene, we are screaming for them to wait a second longer, to change the narrative even as we know its impossible. “If you do x it will work out. if you reach out to him you can fix it” but the foundations of character and history that has been laid out forbids it. She is aware of it but can’t help herself. She still loves dude and we see why despite the fact that he is broken, perhaps because of it – but we dont judge him (at least i dont) and it is that hint of things unsaid but felt that personally hooks ME and that is why Jeanie will continue to get my vote. This to imho is quite a feat of accomplishment in a short story and kudos for hitting that note Jeanie. We see and more importantly FEEL the struggle, the polarization, the fight against this obstacle of ‘she should know better’ but she can’t quite tear herself away. She pursues something and fails. And the strong narrative voice lets you in to that world and gives what the reader craves all along: vulnerability. Which is far stronger than revulsion. I’m voting for what I liked better, despite the obvious talent of both contenders.

       Best of luck to you both.

       1. I felt like the Cardigan narrator was less let off the hook and more didn’t learn (feel) what he was doing was wrong. All the characters are one dimensional because that’s the way they are … to try and give them complexity when they are basic, want-driven beings who can’t think for themselves would be counter to the story’s impact. Harriet speaks volumes, imo, she knows all of them by name and when vocal appeals don’t work she speaks a language she knows ‘We’ understands. Very few sexual assaults get reported, so Harriet’s silence is also realistic and as sad as the one-dimensional assailants.
          The narrator in Offbeat is written to be more complex because that is really all that drives the story. The fact that the narrator realizes she shouldn’t go back to the disease riddled man is not enough to get my vote in this round. Feminism is hopefully well beyond the turmoil of the narrator in Offbeat, but as feminists are individuals it would not be ‘wrong’ for the narrator to choose the alcoholic. I see charismatic, broken men win over intelligent women all the time and it is also sad. Which is far more tragic than the ‘happy’ ending of Offbeat.

          1. Not interested in getting into an argument about it. Besides which i dont really agree with you/still think its a cop out…what are we doing here anyways…Criticism of criticisms? This feed has jumped the shark. I was… I still don’t buy it, it just feels like spin to me and bottom line I just liked the offbeat better. That’s MY personal preference.
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41. Good spin, I don’t buy it fully, but perhaps you really din’t intend how the story came off. Not at all.If it as in your mind, some of these intentions, why not actually write it in ? Nana you are an intelligent man. That should be enough to win it. When in doubt, and regret, spin to win.

42. I find it amusing the suggestion that Nana doesn’t understand his own story. I also find it interesting that the comments have focused on his story and sparked so much debate and emotion about what it makes people think and how it makes people feel. I kind of thought this was the point of reading…

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       By the way, I adored your story and totally thought it deserved to win over the first version of Muscle Man (which I really liked in its re-write, though). It was hilarious and absurd and I totally was swept away with your loopy narrator (hey look, another reason people read).

       1. Hey Joe. I think you are pointing out here that taste in writing is subjective. A fair reminder. Since both stories are clearly making people think, and feel, my suggestion that Nana’s story has been the only one doing this was unfair. I do think his story pushes those buttons a little bit harder, providing more opportunity for interpretation and discussion, which is something I look for as a reader. Thank-you for your review of my story, it is much appreciated and I’m especially glad you found it funny. But, in the words of the crazy-cat-sweater designer on Project Runway who was recently voted off, “My aesthetic isn’t for everyone and I’m okay with that.” The two stories that deserve to be in the finals are – and what a neck and neck battle it’s proving to be…

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45. I’m going to be honest: I skimmed through the previous comments but I did read both stories twice. I have a such a vivid image of both stories in my mind because I think both authors did a great job with descriptions and scene setting.

    Cardigan Blues: I think the subject matter can be translated to multiple different contexts, someone above mentioned it reminded him/her of the corporate world but for me I thought about my job. I work directly with legislators who (although a long ways from high school) still use the group/gang mentality when passing legislation which will affect more than just the small minority.

    But I digress… Cardigan Blues makes me feel. Many things but the most important thing is that it made me feel. I felt for Logan and Harriet. Obviously much more for Harriet. I felt disgust for the lack of individuality but isn’t that what we have in our day to day lives? People who don’t know how to act as individuals. Groups of people who act as bystanders and watch or join in as terrible things happen.

    This story also brought issues about womanhood to the forefront. As a die-hard feminist, it made me cringe when a very small few girls “mattered” and others didn’t. It’s sickening but it is today’s reality in many places around the world.

    My only issue with your story Nana is the brevity of it. But this is a short story contest, isn’t it? lol

    My question for Nana: what if any larger aspects were you trying to touch on with your story? I saw a lot of comments about rape culture and I do realize the connection between sexual harassment, assault, and rape and it is easy to identify that this was both harassment and assault. I don’t think this story has a winner/loser but what was your goal? As a reader am I on the right track based on what I stated above?

    The Offbeat:

    I have to be honest I was a bit bored in the beginning of the story. I expected more action between the two characters in the beginning of the story. You set the scene so beautifully with the shower, his erection, and her seemed to be loneliness. Maybe I’ve read too much Fifty Shades but I would love to have read more of a climax (no pun) to that scene.

    Towards the middle and end of your story I felt a connection to the female character. I kinda felt bad for her because he seemed so insensitive and unconcerned with how his behavior was hurting her. If you had to pick a protagonist… Who would it be?

    I enjoyed how you closed the story but I wish you would have developed the characters more. I could assume that they once had a relationship and his alcoholism along with their lifestyle put a damper on that but I feel like once I got into the groove of the story and became attached to the characters, it was over.

    Great job to both authors. Although, I’m voting for Cardigan Blue’s … Nana and Jeanie are both superb writers and obviously much more ballsy than half of us commenting on this forum… So much that they’ve placed their own works online to be ripped apart by a bunch of Anons. But the story i enjoyed the most was Cardican Blues. I’ll check back in a few days for any responses but until then, good luck!

46. Ah! Finally Jeanie is ahead, where she belongs!
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47. I read both stories…both authors are “writers”…both stories affected me. Strongly. Both took me where I have not been. I have also read all the commentary. Some of it misses the point, some of it is to the point. My point is about “writing” and not nationality or race or even subject matter. Subject matter can disguise a larger (different) point. Anouilh’s Antigone is not about Antigone, but about France under Nazi Germany. Shakespeare’s Merchant of Venice is neither about Antonio nor about Venice. It is about England at that time (and race (not Jewish) problems in London). But this is beside the point also. “Cardigan Blues” addresses a topic that we’d like not to have to look at too closely. Nana uses the POV of his narrator to explore a dark side of the human psyche that exists in all of us, that our enlightened selves decry and push against and reject, knowing that if we are to have a social order of any meaning and quality we cannot give it shrift. I see “Cardigan Blues” as a story about values. It is shocking and repulsive because the “cardigan” characters including the narrator, are shocking and repulsive. I did not want to keep reading it, and only did so in order to decide for whom to vote. I take it that, by author design, Michael is not meant to be a sympathetic character. He and the cardigan boys are bullies, and eventually shown to be hollow and lacking in values that we, as readers, hold. That gives it some redeeming quality. Harriet is the sympathetic character, not as victim, but as heroine. We root for her. We cry inside for her. This story is an anti-hero piece. Inverted. I think purposefully. The question is, does it work? As a piece of writing craft? Literature? And how well? It turns out that Harriet is the hero(ine). But I do not know her like I do the narrator. I identify with her but I do not know her like I do the narrator. This is one, for me one of the story’s weaknesses. It has others. One memorable phrase comes to mind that grabbed me: it’s been cited earlier. “We are the top of the totem pole and the hand that carves it.” But it is not enough. It does not rescue it from its other problems. It is, while raw and powerful, gut compacting emotional, predictable. It does not have enough variety, surprise, change of pace, or turn of phrase to be brilliant. But it is good. Is it good enough to get my vote? What about Jeanie’s story? “The Offbeat” is offbeat, the relationship is not only off beat from my own personal life experience, the characters are off the beat too, not just missing their cues, but no longer singing the same song. As I said in an earlier post, Jeanie’s poetic, surprising, lyrical yet edgy punchiness marries form, style and content seamlessly, and transports me deeply and immediately inside her character…thinking what she is thinking, seeing what she is seeing, off balance, and never knowing what is going to come next. So which piece of writing do I prefer as writing…which characters do I want to read more about…While Nana’s male protagonist narrator is compelling, when the story ends I am done with him. I don’t want to know more of him. Harriet, I would. Jeanie’s protagonist narrator on the other hand I’d love to know more about, know what happens to her next. All in all, I have to agree with JoSchmoe, for literary quality (use of language, form and style) Jeanie’s “The Offbeat” is the better piece. I find it to be a truly first-rate piece of writing about musicians and music that aptly combines lyricism, melody, rhythm, syncopation and variation of dynamics that gives it its own music…a tone poem in its own right. Congratulations, Jeanie. Congratulations, too, to Nana. You both deserve to be here. Jeanie simply deserves to win.

48. As a friend of Jeanie’s I admit to initially only reading her piece before voting. I was won over easily by what I felt was a wordsmith frolicking within a subject matter she, and I, are all too well familiar with. I did however finally read Nana’s piece, due in great part all the slander that’s been bandied about in what has unfortunately amounted to a popularity based competition that seems to have brought out the worst in some. I am glad I did. From what I digested, his story in no way “glorifies rape, misogyny and violence against women”; rather, I believe the opposite to be the result. His is a very well penned, beautifully empathic and vulnerable satire shedding light upon rape culture by providing us with the voice of the skewed rational behind it’s perpetrators. I find it extremely disconcerting that anyone could interpret it as anything other than that. I suspect that many have failed to read past what they view as egregious flag words before rushing to judgement. Nana has handled himself with great poise and decorum while slogging through the sad bile that makes up the current ambiance of the comments section. I can’t imagine that I’d ever be able to muster the same maturity under such a slew of wholly unwarranted bullying in the comments section. I really cannot fathom how anyone can view Nana as anything less than a kindred soul in Feminism’s tireless quest to quell the pervasive rape culture he has been erroneously accused of being a party to engendering.

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49. I have been reading the comments through the last round as well as this round and I have seen that people can conjure arguments with every bit of phrasing an author uses as well as any stylistic flavor.
    My opinion can be utterly bias and therefore dismissed to many, considering I am a writer. I do feel the need to put my credentials out there in order for readers to deem my opinion valuable or invaluable.

    That being said, these deep analyses (and also relatively shallow ones) have at least restored my faith in that there is a populous that attempts to critically think. But in these analyses there are very personal deductions. These personal deductions, these accusations against Nana only amplify his talent as a writer. Nana has engaged readers enough that they are enraged- accusing him of glorifying or supporting something as if his story is of his own standing/opinion. If anything, Nana, take these slanderous words as a double-edged sword because though many are saying hurtful things, you have convinced and frustrated people to incredible extents with only one piece of writing.

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    These comments have taken so many things out of context. These comments have not been smack-talk in any sense of the way because they have devolved from the basic standard of respecting an opponent. You can not reconstruct a building if there are fifteen bulldozers knocking down every bit of progress you make. Basically, these off-the-wall comments concerning advocacy for violence and racial slurs have made no strives in any sort of direction except down. I’ve watched this turn from a competition into a place where angry souls drop their heavy waste. But, it seems, most comment sections become that- more pathetic and less productive.

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